There are some things in my professional career that highlights, and there are low points along the way. My regular podcast with Ryan Ray is one of the most fun interviews that I have on a regular basis.
Ryan is very knowledgeable on geopolitics and the energy markets, and his opinion is spot on. The podcast may be fun, but we talk about the Perma bull oil market that is on the horizon. Enjoy the podcast and please connect with Ryan and let the Sandstone team know if we can help you in any way.
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Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:00:04] Hey, good morning, everybody. My name is determined and I am the president and CEO of Sandstone Group, and I’ll tell you what, this is my regular check-in with the Riot Ray, the single most podcast aficionado that is actually a presidential candidate. And I mean, he’s got the war room. I can’t keep up with this. He’s got the off the wheels with Ben. I’ll tell you what, I love being a follower and even dialing in and calling Liv and Ryan. Can you give me a quick look at how you normally look when I call into your show? Well, when I you
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:00:45] like we have great calling in. We should stop, if you don’t mind, that you just pontificate for as long as you go and it’s just always greatness, so. Oh, no, it’s good.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:00:55] I’ll tell you what, I just I thoroughly enjoy our interaction and we are just having a lot of fun and there’s a lot going on. And you just got to your I think this morning was kind of cool that you had a actually somebody else wanted to listen to you on this. Can you tell us a little bit about what’s going on in the war room and what’s going on with Ryan? Right.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:01:19] Yeah. So I you know, I had an oil and gas service company that I owned for a little while, and I sold it covid kind of questions. I sold it. And what we did with oil gas services wasn’t really what I was trying to pursue anyway. So I was able to sell that business to some of the employees. And what I wanted to do, which is kind of just international. My kids are going crazy back there. Cole, I took I took what I want to do, which is kind of an international component and the advisory component. And it broke that off into my own own deal and so globalizers and so so on that we’ve been working with people. You know, kind of what I like to do do is. You know where I fit in because I’m not a technical guru, so I’m not coming here to break down how to frack the whale or the whale, either one, not a.. I do that, but, you know, making introductions, helping with marketing, sales advisory, stuff like that, that’s kind of where I’m going to fit in and work with groups that can do that. We’ve got a cattle business we’re in now. We’re helping people place cattle that way. Yeah. So we’re excited about that. And then today, as you mentioned, the Jubilee Royalty Fund. I was an investor in fund one. Great results. And so they come to me, said, hey, you need help with fundraising and some media stuff. And, you know, you talk too much if you could talk more. And so I was like, sure, that works. And so I’m helping them on the fund, too. And we have a couple of things we hope we’re going to announce sooner rather than later. In the like I told you often I’ll say online is I like to be in the spot, you know, with, like the Jubilee Fund. I’m a partner with that. So that’s kind of a good deal. But it allows me to be flexible, to do the things that I want to do, because what I’ve learned is that my skill set is to, you know, one day, hopefully I’ll call up thanks to you have got this person over here and they need this. And you’re putting people together, getting right rooms, networking and trying to harvest that into a profitable business is not always a straightforward path. We’re trying to make a living of it. So it’s
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:03:19] exciting. You know, they they call it Facebook or linked.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:03:22] It was that
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:03:24] oh, they call it either Facebook or like that right now. So we’re going to have to come up with our own. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Oh, I love your business model. And I’ll tell you why you’re not just oil and gas, your sports, your entertainment. You’ve got all this stuff going on. And I truly, truly like the whole thing. That’s what’s it.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:03:48] Yeah, I’ve got a call today. I mean, you didn’t know what you did back then, but if you were a longtime LinkedIn follower, you have seen me talk about this opportunity pre covid, OK, related. And it’s coming back potentially. I’ve got a call today after 4:00. So you might see a real Global Advisors announcement, hopefully, I’m pretty sure.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:04:11] Did you say pork or pork?
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:04:15] Neither would I say that’s a porch.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:04:17] I don’t know. But we’re going to look at the transcript later.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:04:20] Oh, gracious. I have a great Global Advisors Potential Opportunity Sports. Oh, Sports Center sports.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:04:27] Oh, work
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:04:28] related. It’s if you go back to my old LinkedIn, you can see some sports stuff. Right. Sign this one today. We’ll see. It’s international sports. I’m excited about it. But to your point, you know, and that’s just can’t get on a soapbox here for ten seconds.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:04:42] Absolutely.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:04:43] People talk about doing what you love. You have to be good at what you love, OK? And then you make money at it. So I’m trying I’m not sure if I’m good at it or not, and I’m trying to figure out how I make money. So that’s that. If you’re watching me, that’s what you’re watching. Someone who’s trying to do what he loves and to make money at it do a unique way. So thank you. Premium’s do.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:05:03] Oh, this is fun. I’ll tell you, I’m having a blast. I have never had this much fun in my professional career working with my guys and all my good clients. But being a part I actually walk. I know there’s a sidetrack, but I was checking out at Walmart or something and somebody said, well, what do you do? And I go, I’m a podcast host. They go, Oh wow. I’m like, everybody give me a buck.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:05:29] Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know. Like, well, you know, when I when people first started, it was five years ago. I guess now these are people and they’re like, oh man.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:05:40] Like you sure you’re like you’re really honored and you’re
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:05:42] you’re thankful and you’re not sure how to react. Because I know me. I’m so nobody. I’m just a nobody. I mean, so what do you appreciate? And then what you learn eventually is this problem is you probably learn more from the audience than they learn from you, right? You bet. And that’s really when it becomes really good when the audience starts getting feedback like, hey, listen, I say stuff wrong all the time, in fact, oil. But, you know, when someone sends you notes the other day you said this, I don’t think it’s right because of this. It’s like, oh, I need that because just the phone on our face doesn’t mean we know what we’re talking about. In my case, I always mean, I don’t know. I’m talking about so
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:06:21] well, you know, you’re the Rodney Dangerfield of all podcast hosts. You know, you ought to have a stick, you know, like a you know. Are you too young to know who. Rodney Davis. I know.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:06:33] Doing good work.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:06:33] That is all right for our normal listeners. You are the China expert extraordinaire and being the presidential candidate for twenty twenty four, you’re also running for a presidential candidate for the CCP. So you’re just a man. About twenty two. Got it. So who commands there. And so tell us. There’s a couple of things that I’ve been saying on all of the news, and there’s some Chinese stuff going on which you have to be the expert on, did you disappear on me?
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:07:16] No, I was getting something for your listeners, but go ahead.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:07:20] And that is the more we use solar. Oh, yeah.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:07:25] OK, real quick before we go into any more, China’s civilian army. OK. Peter Martin, I think is the name of Martyn’s the last name. All your listeners should go and read this book. There you go. It’s a fantastic book. It goes through the formation of the CCP. And I’ll give you one quick anecdote before we get the China Mao during the. Revolution, I believe it was it could be the great leap forward attacking Taiwan to divert attention from what was going on inside of China. Now, we’ve talked about the podcast that what they’re doing is just the kind of cat and mouse game. And so if you’re curious about how they did it historically, it’s a great, great book.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:08:05] So it’s a really advanced squirrel or Wag the Dog. And so we call it Wag the Dragon if it’s Chinese. I mean, you remember that movie with just an Aussie? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I like it. I like to wag the Wag the Dragon. Have you ever heard that one before?
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:08:24] And no copyright that you don’t think.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:08:26] Oh no, it’s yours. It’s all yours. And so that’s pretty cool right now. One of the stories that our research team is looking at is the greener we go, the more oil and gas we use and the more pollution we generate. So I’ve got a bunch of data coming out of that. And it’s kind of funny because we sit here and we’re going broke paying for solar. Let’s leave all that out. It’s about getting the lowest, cost, lowest. But I can’t talk. I’m in Texas, you know, the lowest cost per kilowatt per hour to the people without the least amount of impact on the planet. And that helps the poor. It helps the planet. I’m all about anything to help the planet and the poor. This article that came out by the EIA saying we’ve got to do some more. I have that effect on all of my people. Right?
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:09:19] No, no, it’s not you. It’s me. Yeah, they have that effect on me for me when you’re talking.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:09:26] I like that I had that effect on all the girls I dated in college. And I mean, I they just they were they were comatose. When I we got done with our day, they were asleep
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:09:36] when we became podcasters. Oh.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:09:41] My psychologist actually recommends me to folks that are having therapy problems because then I can put them to sleep but make them so calm. OK, enough with the Rodney Dangerfield between the two of us, we’re going to have some fun. The EIA put out the silly report, what, three months ago or two months ago, the IEA, not the EIA, but the EIA, Oyuki that the the I, the IAEA, the International Energy Agency, they were saying we got to go green. And now this report that went out, China is putting out more and more coal and it’s going to the solar panels. So all the solar panels going around the world, some Swerling number was like 90 percent, 80 percent, whatever the numbers of the solar panels were being made by kids and everything, I mean from mining and everything out of China. But they’re using so much coal for it that it’s it’s just becoming pollution. So we’re trying to go solar, but we’re polluting the planet. What are your thoughts on on any of that? This episode of the Energy News Beat podcast is brought to us by King Operating Corporation, your partner for oil and gas investment. Check them
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:11:03] out. King Operating Dotcom. Well, it’s pretty simple, so what I’m doing this podcast by default, I can’t be in the other room talking to my wife.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:11:18] I’ve lost well to
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:11:20] every action has a consequence to it. OK, so if my wife really wanted one right now, I can’t be in there talking to her. We live in a world where we pretend like you’re not actions to our consequences. If our life right now, I could be on this podcast with you. So if you’re going to put energy into the world and I mean, um, you know, nuclear wind. So it doesn’t matter when I do that. There is a consequence that comes as a result. You can’t you can’t have energy without pollution or trash or waste. You can’t. It’s impossible. OK, wow. So once you realize that, then you say, well, how to your point, which low cost, what’s best for the environment? And those two things sometimes right on. And so you can get that little Venn diagram trying to figure it out. But we have to quit living in a world where we can pretend as if you can have an action without a consequence that just doesn’t, especially for energy energy policy. So to your point, you’re saying, well, you know, we had these solar panels, they’re creating waste and people are like, oh, my goodness gracious. Well, that’s terrible that. What did you think the solar panels would last forever? Well, no. So therefore, at some point, waste is going to happen. Trash is going to happen. How did you minford into your point? The thing you point out, which is you increase the fossil fuel dependency, putting out more. OK, well, that’s it. Action. Right now we’re at technologically speaking, to your point, there is no way to lessen demand on fossil fuel by increasing the amount of solar and wind and stuff like that. So there’s just consequences to how we do things and we just live in that world. Once you live in that world, then you could begin to deal with problems. I’ll give you one more example. If you’re concerned about climate change and how it’s going to impact rising sea levels, this is go there, the sea level is going to rise. There’s questions to ask. Let’s say that’s true, right? Well, the first thing is, can you build a, like a retaining wall at the beach to keep the water coming in? And I don’t have any answers here. I’m just you should you move people inland. You know, there are solutions so that you can think about. We don’t talk about that. What we say is, is that climate change is happening. We have to stop it. And oh, by the way, now we’ve got waste. It’s like, well, right, right. And so this is this is we have an earth to manage. We’re trying to manage this. And just like you got a business do when you make a decision, there are consequences that you expect and some that you don’t expect. And exactly the same thing here.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:13:49] Plan for the worst, but hope for the best. And what drives me nuts is the policies and procedures and the lack of discussions between people. If we could all get along and talk reasonably, I’d love to see a solution for all power with all people. And let’s really focus on that, because that article really brought out from Reuters that it is what’s about Africa? What about all these other countries that can’t afford it? And even what about us, the rich countries, not me and you. We’re not the rich guys. I don’t have a Tesla yet. And and so how about Tesla? Do.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:14:37] Well, you have to go. Oh yeah.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:14:40] I’m waiting for Tesla truck. I got a I got to get that. Yeah. Oh yeah. Good luck. Did you see the fire Friday. It was in Tesla’s battery in Australia. Here they are put in the biggest battery thing you could possibly imagine to try to go to renewables for energy storage and before they can even turn it on, ones just like burning up, kind of like the fire in the fellowship of the ring. But Frodo throws that price and throw the ring in there. But anyway, it’s just smoking and everything else. I think we saw it in Dallas all the way from Brisbane, where there was that was a big fire. It was. Yeah. But, you know, you sit back and kind of look, it’s a real problem, so.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:15:31] No, it is. It is in a nice maharshi tweeted out someone I think it was Saudi Arabia. You can follow him on.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:15:38] Oh, he is fantastic.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:15:40] He’s fantastic. Yes. And he tweeted out someone in Saudi Arabia who is telling people, don’t buy Teslas because the heat drains the battery too fast in in Saudi Arabia.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:15:48] Because once I read that and it’s in front of your Tesla, it is not like hot or cold. So it’s only good on the equator.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:15:57] It’s made for San Diego, say, to year round Tesla. They listen. And if I lived in San Diego, I don’t. But if I did, I might buy one.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:16:07] Right. And and I think somebody at Energy Newsbeat who who does me put out one, you know, a few this week that we’re poking fun of the Tesla’s things. So I love being also who would have thought I’d been a podcast artist.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:16:27] There you go.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:16:28] I got beat. I got totally on my deathbed. What was that from?
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:16:34] I don’t know. I don’t know. Caddyshack. Oh, God. It’s been so long. Something.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:16:39] Oh, you got to got to watch it. I got total consciousness on my deathbed. OK, so as we take a look at what’s coming around the corner for oil, I think we’re going to go into serious bull market here for a while. Ryan, what are your thoughts on that?
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:16:59] The bull market for me.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:17:01] I think we’re going over 80, possibly 90 before the end of the year and with the earnings that have come out with Shell, with BP, all of the majors, with the exception of one, I believe was doing buybacks. They’re putting in their most profit that they’ve had last year. I believe it was Exxon that lost one point four billion last year. At the same time, I think I got a fact check myself, but then they were up four point two billion this quarter. So they’re enjoying the profits of the higher price and they’re using that to fund the greed, which goes back to our earlier discussion, which is putting more pollution on everything. And they’re not putting any more money in the AMP side. So our reserves are going to go down. That’s why I’m such a big bull. Long term oil. OK, so did I just give you a headache?
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:18:03] No, no, no, no, no, I’m thinking about that. So, you know, generally speaking, I am not a peak oil person, nowhere near enough if I agree. So from that standpoint, I when I use the term bullish, I think oil is here to stay for my lifetime. A kid’s lifetime probably. So I’m right. So as far as price goes, I don’t know. Here’s where I’m torn it and you’re the gurus. Help me out here if price breaks. One hundred twenty people in the world right now can afford that kind of drain. You talk about inflation, OK, it’s over one hundred. You know, you’re going to people who want to sell the house, who can’t afford milk, you know, it gets a little crazy, these predictions like hundred fifty. So I don’t know how much higher you can go before the consumer side has to slack off. That’s one thing. The other thing is, to your point about getting to ninety, let’s just say yes to Nandy. Will you will the U.S. be able to hold the reins in or will the money come? The money’s got to come at some point, right? Right point. These fractures are going to get money in there. A good rule it is has to happen like. Right. So when does that happen? The other thing is the higher it goes. You will see a scramble, I would suspect, for the majors to go develop, find and develop new oil field plays that they haven’t gone into yet in price because they have the capital to do that. So it maybe gets to 80, 90. That’s quite possible. Can stay there long term. It just feels like it’s one point the money becomes too much. I don’t know. So but then want to elect one another says that OPEC’s really trying to keep it between 60, 24. That’s what they want. And so will they keep pushing to make that happen? I don’t know. The other thing is, I forgot to stop it.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:19:51] I’ll tell you what. And US is probably one of the smartest guys on the planet. I really enjoy your conversations with him. And it’s a great thing you bring him on to add value to your show. Yeah, yeah. And I think that might be a good one for him, because if you take a look at it, maybe we need to shoot this question to him on the Iran situation in the Saudi situation, everything else. You take a look. So Iran’s coming back online with four million barrels production capabilities. They are now selling way outside the OPEC sanctions. I mean, OPEC quota productions outside the sanctions to China and they’re not impacting the oil supply price. So if you have those guys not impact, even though they’re putting a lot of oil out there, I’m seeing OPEC possibly losing the control, the pricing matrices that they have. And also the other question, for instance, that I would have is, what about the social funding for Saudi Arabia? They need one hundred and twenty dollars a barrel in order to fund the social programs. Why are they going to stop at 70 dollars? That’s a question I don’t know the answer to.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:21:16] Yeah, you know, that debate I always find interesting because. The the Saudi fund, because you hear people say, well, they need 120 to replenish, so. Right. So I’m not disagreeing that there are plenty people who think that my question is, do are the Saudis not aware of that because they don’t act like that’s the case?
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:21:37] I mean, maybe a.. I don’t know. I mean, that’s funny. That’s a good point. But they did. Saudi Aramco had to take out. So many billions this past year to fund their issue. So the difference between their last Saudi Aramco finally had to go into debt on some of their stuff to pay for the social programs.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:22:04] So, yeah, so I don’t know. I hear I’ve heard people say what you said, and I’m not saying that’s wrong. I just look at what that was. I am
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:22:13] really
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:22:14] well, I want to say that I think I’m going to wait. But no, seriously, you’re not the only person who thinks that. And I don’t I don’t have an opinion. I just look at what the Saudis do and go, well, if that’s true, then why don’t they just cut production a little bit, let the price of the OPEC, OK? And generally speaking, raising a lot of members. It’s mainly the Saudis, OK, right. It’s mainly the Saudis. They’re the big there. And what they will they usually get they have the real production. You know, Russia has them, obviously, but a lot of the other members of secondary or third, third level. So why don’t they? I don’t that’s what I can’t figure about their actions. Why do they not let the price get higher before trying to level off, you know, to try to prevent it from getting higher?
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:22:58] Maybe that’s an interest question. I don’t know. And we’ll just laugh at says, did that come from Snootily? I don’t know.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:23:06] Maybe this isn’t real quick. I’ll give you another story house. About a month ago. OK, let me to the best barbecue place I’ve ever had in my life. How we got it was fantastic. It was fantastic. So if you ever get to meet and ask him to take you to a barbecue because he’s got to hook up at Spottiswoode. So good.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:23:29] Is he here in Dallas?
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:23:32] He’s in the area. Yeah.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:23:33] OK, fantastic. I’ll run him down. Maybe the three of us. Are you going to Naped this year,
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:23:38] summer or the next day in the springtime?
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:23:42] Eight in August or a couple of weeks?
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:23:46] I haven’t made plans to. Are you going to shoot? Should I go? That you tell me to go.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:23:50] I’m going. Yeah. So we’re going to be in her dad’s podcast down there and everything else.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:23:56] So my schedule. So and I’ll tell you offline. So your name is the 16th, right? Yep. So I tell you what I’ve got going on between Gelfond and we can take them.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:24:08] OK, well yeah, I’m sure it’s taking over the CCP or something like that.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:24:12] So listen, can I just say real quick, if someone told me today that by the time I put into the five trillion and I made this offer my podcast, but I don’t have nearly the audience that you have, so we put on your show. But in case by visiting Joe, if you’re going to if you’re going to print five trillion, first of all, I will renounce my presidency candidate in twenty four. I’ll back out. OK, I will endorse you, Amela Pelosi, Doumar, whomever you want. All you got to do for either fifteen million tax free or thirty million with taxes. Either way finally and I will endorse whomever it is you won’t and I will pull out of twenty twenty four.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:24:49] You can’t be bothered. I just heard your. Yes, yes. OK. And I will be your secretary of defense. So you go. Yeah you’re in. I’m in Oregon
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:25:01] so just write a check and listen if you want to hear me, if you don’t want to hear this podcast anymore, the same thing applies. I want to come on Stew’s podcast for the right price.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:25:11] OK, ok.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:25:16] Applies to I’m a capitalist man
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:25:18] and I respect that of you. And you just I had a few jokes but my family listeners would not appreciate those right now. So I tell you, Ryan, we have got some crazy things going on in the energy world and I really, truly appreciate all the things that you’ve got going on with your life. And I truly respect your opinions on all this stuff. So thank you for letting me play in your sandbox. I just have so much fun with you.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:25:49] Well, I’m always honored to come and do the show. I really appreciate it. You know, I love you. You’re a great guy. How would you guys go? And Energy Newsbeat. And so it’s it’s always an honor here to get to come back for another month.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:26:00] Oh, absolutely. Until you’re president now, Ben, I’ll be here when I’m president.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:26:05] I’m committed to doing this podcast. When I’m president, I will stop doing my own shows and you get first of once a month.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:26:12] I love it. I had a few jokes, but I’m leaving those alone. But as we close out here in a sec, I’m going to have you and Ben on one of my podcasts, and I’ve got a surprise lined up for you. We are gonna have a podcast, aficionado WWF. And I mean, it’s just good to be able so.
Ryan Ray, CEO Ray Global Advisors [00:26:39] Well, I’m looking forward to that. That would be fantastic. Not with you. That would’ve been too much with you. Be great.
Stu Turley, Sandstone [00:26:46] I just spent all my life. I love Ben and I think you guys do a great job. So thank you very much for stopping by and all of your information all year. Is two pages worth in the transcript of everything that you’ve got going on? It be in the show notes. Oh, thank you very much.
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